[lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban Reader

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 2/6/06, HeliodoR <exitconsole@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > .i ti cukta fi la .alex lo jbobau cilre
>
> Pointing at non-phisical existences is illegal; at least xorxe taught me
> that...

Hmm... If I did, I probably didn't put it that way. Pointing at something
non-physical would seem to be impossible rather than illegal. {ti} is
_supposed_ to refer to things you can point at, but sometimes
people don't use it that way.

As a separate issue, {cukta} seems to be more often than not used
for book the physical object rather than book the literary work.

> > .i le vecnu cu vecnu loi kabri
>
> This one must be a misunderstanding that caused quite a few problems to me,
> too.
> {loi} means - according to me - that there is a mass of objects or some
> uncountable
> thing the name of which (the *whole*) is, let's say, broda. If I'm talking
> about loi broda,
> I'm thinking about something the exact parts (lo broda) of which are not
> important,
> not worth counting - which is not the case when we're talking about selling
> distinct
> items.

To me {loi} indicates non-distributivity. So:

  le vecnu cu vecnu ro kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu
  The seller sells each cup for 5 monetary units.

  le vecnu cu vecnu loi kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu
  The seller sells cups (all together) for 5 monetary units.

  le vecnu cu vecnu lo kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu
  The seller sells cups (distr. not specified) for 5 monetary units.

> I always think of {lai loglandias. kontrapozitivos.} to clarify the
> situation for myself.
> (Notice there are no {la loglandias. kontrapozitivos.}.)

What is that?

mu'o mi'e xorxes