[lojban-beginners] Re: ti/ta/tu, zo'e, da

["Chris Capel" <pdf23ds@gmail.com>]

On 8/17/06, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/17/06, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Use "ki".
> >
> > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=188&page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar#s13
> >
> > .i lo munje puzuki citno .i ro cmana cazu crino
>
> {ro cmana cabu'u crino} right? You have already fixed the
> reference place with {ki}, so a new {zu} will take you away from
> there.

> From reading the section I linked to, I think bu'u is rundant. "ca" by
itself would work as well, but would might imply a close proximity of
the two events, which I was trying to avoid by saying they're only
relatively proximate: something like "at the same time, which in the
context of these long time periods could be anywhere in a long time
period", or in other words, "in the same long time period". "caza"
would perhaps be better.

When you say "take you away from there" you mean "away from the
reference point", right? Or (I doubt) do you mean that it will somehow
unfix the reference?

BTW, once a tense is stuck with "ki", how do you unstick it
completely? CLL isn't clear on the point. If you unstick it by saying
"pu ki ku broda .i ca ki ku brode", is the second "ca" interpreted
relative the first, or relative the null tense?

Chris Capel
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