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[lojban-beginners] Re: ti/ta/tu, zo'e, da
On 8/17/06, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/17/06, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/17/06, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > .i lo munje puzuki citno .i ro cmana cazu crino
>
> {ro cmana cabu'u crino} right? You have already fixed the
> reference place with {ki}, so a new {zu} will take you away from
> there.
From reading the section I linked to, I think bu'u is rundant.
{bu'u} is the spatial counterpart of {ca}. For some reason I read {cavu}
instead of {cazu} and that's what I meant to replace with {cabu'u}.
But since spatial tenses were not mentioned my {bu'u} was not really
relevant.
"ca" by
itself would work as well, but would might imply a close proximity of
the two events, which I was trying to avoid by saying they're only
relatively proximate: something like "at the same time, which in the
context of these long time periods could be anywhere in a long time
period", or in other words, "in the same long time period". "caza"
would perhaps be better.
{ca} only indicates simultaneity, it does not say anything about the
duration of the two events. In this case the two events (the two states)
would seem to be simultaneous.
{za} indicates that the two events are separated by some (medium)
length of time.
When you say "take you away from there" you mean "away from the
reference point", right? Or (I doubt) do you mean that it will somehow
unfix the reference?
Yes, I mean away from the reference point. I was really thinking in spatial
terms there, but the same applies in a temporal sense.
BTW, once a tense is stuck with "ki", how do you unstick it
completely? CLL isn't clear on the point. If you unstick it by saying
"pu ki ku broda .i ca ki ku brode", is the second "ca" interpreted
relative the first, or relative the null tense?
Relative to the first. {nau ki} is absolute and brings you to the here
and now..
I don't think you can unstick the reference without sticking it somewhere
else. {ki nai} should be grammatical but isn't.
mu'o mi'e xorxes