Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 5 May 2010 20:25, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see {djica} in an abstract way as being similar to why we have all 4 of ri'a, mu'i, ni'i, and ki'u. The notion that "you want a thing" makes as much logical sense as "Sally hit you physically because you pulled her hair" in this sense,

That Sally example is actually plausible, because at least from the scientific viewpoint there would be only physical causation from your pulling Sally's hair to her hitting you, including her psychological process that is based on the physical neurological behaviours in her brain.


> because whenever you want a thing there is something that you want to happen or be true (usually to "have" the thing or something related to that).

Let's say that I want an apple, meaning that I want the event of me eating an apple. Why would it be impossible for {lo (ba) plise (poi mi citka ke'a)} to represent {lo (ba) nu da plise fi'o citka mi}? What significant difference is there between 'a would-be apple (eaten by me)' and 'a would-be event of something appling with me as its eater'?


> On the other hand you could make the argument that {nelci} should then take a {ka} and then you "like <some property(ies)> about <something(s)>", which would be kind of cumbersome.

Why {ka}? How is {lo plise zo'u mi nelci lo ka titla} different from {lo plise zo'u mi nelci lo nu titla}? If potentiality (can taste sweet) and actuality (is tasting sweet) are concerned, the distinction can be made with {ka'e} and {ca'a} (in the NU clause) in a much less vague fashion than {ka} and {nu}.

There is no point in separating X's properties from properties' X as two sumti for only one statement about the properties. "I like <the Y-ing> about <X>" can just be "I like <X Y-ing>". So, instead of {mi nelci lo nu titla kei lo plise}, {mi nelci lo nu lo plise cu titla}.

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