Re: [lojban-beginners] Adding to Pro-bridi

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

 Go'i and its family is very nebulous and need to be better defined.
But there are some conventions.  Tenses in the same selma'o are
considered overridden  -- "mi pu klama le zarci" "mi ba go'i" ("I went
to the store", "I will be (going to the store)" (mi ba klama le
zarci).  "xu" is always dropped "xu la djan gento" "na go'i" (Is John
Argentinian?  John is not Argentinian)  na'e is NOT dropped.. that's
part of the selbri.  I expect BAI would be not be considered
overwritten unless the very same tag word was used (and perhaps not
even then).  Oh wait, you asked about selbri BAI tags.. hmmmm....darn
good question, but I guess I'd have to say "no", but it may depend on
context.  Numbered places are generally considered overridden.

                     --gejyspa


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks. So the overwriting is specific to selma'o NA and NAhE? Or does it
> apply to all or some tenses (by which I mean time, space, movement, BAI tags
> on selbri)?
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey
>> >
>> > The initial question I was thinking about this afternoon was: is { mo mo
>> > } a
>> > grammatically bridi. But it went on to be more general than that. Can
>> > pro-bridi (and other things like them) be combined with each other and
>> > brivla into tanru?
>> >
>> > eg
>> > { ko klama .i sutra go'i } - Go! Quickly!
>> >
>> > If this is the case, I've seen forms like { na go'i }, so I know that
>> > you
>> > can add tenses to these things. But when you say { na melbi .i na go'i }
>> > the
>> > second bridi has the same meaning as the first, with the second { na }
>> > 'overwriting' the first. (I recall reading this, but couldn't find where
>> > when I quickly checked the obvious places).
>>
>>  CLL chapter 15, section 9, after example 9.4
>>
>> >  So then do tanru based around
>> > pro-bridi follow the same principle
>> >
>> > eg
>> > { mi sutra cliva .i masno go'i } = { mi sutra cliva .i mi masno cliva }
>> > or {
>> > mi sutra cliva .i masno sutra cliva } or something else?
>> >
>>
>>  Na is not a brivla, so it is specially defined ,if you will.... Your
>> example would lead to "i masno sutra cliva".
>>         --gejyspa
>>
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