In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:03:45 AM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << Would you say that official {sisku} is just awkward (my position), >> Given that choice, I would go with "awkward," too. I would prefer "ill-conceived" and "needlessly opque" (not quite the same as "awkward'). << If it is just awkward, then I don't see a problem on basing a simpler way of doing things on that awkward way. >I note that your examples with {pavyseljirna} for >{santo}, are also simple but generally wrong. How are they wrong? mi sisku le mi pavyseljirna (Can be true if there is something I refer to as "my unicorn") >> The boring repetition of this dodge is one of my stronger reason for going back an rethinking the the whole be-exist axis. I mean, as you well know, "the particular unicorn I have in mind." And if that doesn't work, use {la cerlakolmz}. << mi sisku lo'e pavyseljirna I seek a unicorn. (Can be true even in worlds where I have no hope of ever finding any.) >> This is, of course, the case in contention and cannot be used to support the heretical view as such. It is false in Lojban and iffy in Llamban until {lo'e} is explained in a consistent and coherent fashion. << le mi pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py lo pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py mi sisku le ka ce'u pavyseljirna (= mi sisku le ka lo pavyseljirna zo'u ce'u du py) >> Only the third of these is normal Lojban, which is why your {kai-} move looks a bit like the {sisku} one. It isn't the same -- or at least has not yet been shown to be.
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