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Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate



In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:03:45 AM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

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Would you say that official {sisku} is just awkward (my position),
or plain nonsensical?

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Given that choice, I would go with "awkward," too.  I would prefer "ill-conceived" and "needlessly opque" (not quite the same as "awkward').

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If it is just awkward, then I don't see a problem on basing
a simpler way of doing things on that awkward way.

>I note that your examples with {pavyseljirna} for
>{santo}, are also simple but generally wrong.

How are they wrong?

mi sisku le mi pavyseljirna
   (Can be true if there is something I refer to as "my unicorn")
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The boring repetition of this dodge is one of my stronger reason for going back an rethinking the the whole be-exist axis.  I mean, as you well know, "the particular unicorn I have in mind."  And if that doesn't work, use {la cerlakolmz}.

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mi sisku lo'e pavyseljirna
   I seek a unicorn. (Can be true even in worlds where I have no
   hope of ever finding any.)
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This is, of course, the case in contention and cannot be used to support the heretical view as such.  It is false in Lojban and iffy in Llamban until {lo'e} is explained in a consistent and coherent fashion.

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le mi pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py
lo pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py
mi sisku le ka ce'u pavyseljirna
(= mi sisku le ka lo pavyseljirna zo'u ce'u du py)
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Only the third of these is normal Lojban, which is why your {kai-} move looks a bit like the {sisku} one.  It isn't the same -- or at least has not yet been shown to be.

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