Re: [lojban] Re: "la" rule

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

--- Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote:
> > 
> >>I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require
> >>recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the
> >>word.  To do this, one would have to have all cmene  marked with
> >>one of the  name introducers like doi or la (I presume 'doi' is
> >>normally used  like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name used as a
> >>vocative.  If this  be true, then the parser can strip off the
> >>introducer, and the  remainder up to the consonant and pause is a
> >>name (I presume that a  person without a speech defect would not
> >>pause in the middle of a  name).  The LaPlace problem was in
> >>sequential names. For sequential  names we used the Loglan word
> >>for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to  the list of name markers.
> > 
> > 
> > You know, I think that actually works.  Or, at least, I can't think
> > of any problems off the top of my head.
> > 
> > Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no
> > ambiguity I can see.
> 
> What about someone surnamed "xi'iLAItl."
> 
> >>While writing this, I realized  there may be a problem in the
> >>generalization. The Loglan rules were intended for the situation
> >>where the names were recognized as having the problem. The
> >>stripping  off of the name marker would only occur where another
> >>name marker was  at the beginning of a name, so the remainder
> >>could be recognized as a  name.  
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't follow that at all; can you give an example or something?
> > 
> > 
> >>Whether this would work in general would depend on whether the
> >>grammar allowed for a predicate to follow a name in an argument
> >>e.g.  le la Name predicate cu ....  and the predicate happened to
> >>have a  name marker as the first syllable e.g. Loglan cibra =
> >>bridge,  I will have to consider the general case in more detail.
> > 
> > That example causes no problem because "bra" can't be a cmene.
> 
> a Lojban example, using Robby the robot, using Loglan's "ci" as the 
> hyphen.  (A stranger cmavo like xi'i might be harder to find realistic 
> counterexamples for).
> 
> la djan. cikre la rabis.
> 
> la djan. ci krelarabis.

Obviously no problem if written out wordly -- and none (or less) if written as the speech stream:
{ci} is not stressed, so the algorithm give _{cIkre larabis}.