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Re: [lojban] Re: nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u



On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 09:10:19PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>    Where I'm quoted as saying { .i.ienai mi skami nu surla .i ri gunka}, I
>    meant to say {na surla}.
>
>    Again, me. At { .i.uacai.ui .i ko'a rokci .i ko'e grana} the {.i} in {.i
>    ko'a} shouldn't be there.
>
>    This one isn't really a grammar issue: At { .i.iecu'i naja'a go'i .i xu do
>    djica}, the {naja'a} was me trying to say, basically, "I'm cool either
>    way". I couldn't find a midpoint cmavo between {na} and {ja'a}.
>
>    {.i ca ko'a goi lo rokci pe mi .ije ko'e goi lo grana pe do} is a few
>    lines early. I said it after you said {.i mi dunda ko'a do .ije do dunda
>    ko'e mi} but before you said {.i mi lebna lo rokci pe mi do}, because
>    after the transfer of possession the {pe} was reversed. (Which also means
>    that {lo rokci pe mi} should've been {pe do}. :) )
>

Oh right, I meant to ask you about that, because I saw you modeling
that in the game.

I originally used "pe do" and "pe mi" because I wanted to translate
the sentence: "I have your stick"

I need some way to say "I posses this stick which you own." (or the
inverse, "I own the stick which you posses.")

I thought that "pe" could be used in this way, so I could say: {.i
mi ponse lo grana pe do} and mean "I have your stick."

Is there a better way to express this?  It has certainly be the most
difficult issue I've had translating material.

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

Well, technically, when the items were transferred, both {pe do} and {pe mi} are valid. You originally had the rock, so the rock was associated with you, {pe do}, when you gave it to me, it became associated with me, in the sense that I was holding it, but it was still associated with you as well, in the sense that you were it's former bearer. I can't remember off the top of my head, so I need to look this up before I go any further....



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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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