[lojban] Re: Userfriendly Translation

[Eric Sumner <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

--- Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net> wrote:
> On Friday 13 June 2003 01:13, Eric Sumner wrote:
> > For the first sentence: "Are you worried about going to jail, Martha?"
> > I came up with two different translations: {doi martas. iipeida'i do klama
> > le pifvasru} and {xu do terpa nu do klama le pifvasru}.  The second
> > one seems to be more accurate to the original text, but I believe the first
> > one may mor accurately convey the intended meaning.  Having no exposure to
> > lojban, I don't know which of these is more appropriate.
>
> {iipeidai}(not {da'i}; that marks the subjunctive) asks Martha about someone 
> else's* feelings about going to jail. {iipei} is enough.
> {iipei do klama le pifyvau} assumes that Martha is going to jail, or at least
> thinking about it, and asks her fear about it. 

As Gregory has already guessed in the other reply, the reason I put the {da'i}
into the sentence was to remove the assertion that Martha is going to jail.  Is
this incorrect usage?  If it is incorrect, is there a similar form that conveys
this?

> > The other thing I translated from this comic was the first sentence of
> > the second panel: "Prison is a terrifying journey through the concrete
> > jungle of anger, with all of your liberties stripped from you."
> > My translation of this is {le pifvasru cu simsa lenu .ii litru le .o'onai
> > runrokci cicrictu'a poi ke'a vimcu lenu zifre le prenu ku'o}.  I am fairly
> > certain that the {o.onai} is not correct, because the speaker is not angry
> > in this case.  Unfortunately, I do not know how to correct this.
> 
> I would say {pe lo kamfe'u ge'u} (without {ge'u}, the anger, not the jungle, 
> strips liberties (which should be {kamzi'e} or {zazyzi'e} or {lizyzi'e})).

So... the more correct translation of this sentence would be {le pifyvasru cu
simsa lenu .ii litru le runrokci cicrictu'a pe lo kamfe'u ge'u poi ke'a vimcu
le kamzi'e}.

  -- Eric

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