[lojban] Re: Test sentences

["And Rosta" <a.rosta@v21.me.uk>]

xod:
> And Rosta wrote:
> 
> >xorxes:
> >
> >>36. Cicero is Tully
> >>
> >>    la kikeros cu du la tulis
> 
> Thank you for not translating it as la siseros.

A pedant, in the Nick Nicholas mould, say, would prefer kikeron
and tulius.
 
> >Given the ragbag and decontextualized nature of the test sentence
> >collection, the translation is reasonable, but as you are aware,
> >it completely sidesteps the issues that make (36) a challenging
> >test sentence in the first place. Change it to, say, "John
> >does not believe that Cicero is Tully", and the challenge becomes
> >more apparent. (The solution is to have brivla for "Cicero"
> >and "Tully" & then it all works out hunkydory.)
> 
> Why? Because we're using "me"?

"Cicero is Tully" is sensitive to intensional contexts (e.g.
as x2 of "believe"). Lojban can capture opaque & transparent
readings when brivla are involved, but not when cmene are
involved. Cmene are like {le} gadri, and are insensitive
to intensional contexts.

--And.


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