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[lojban] Re: "la" rule
On 11/15/06, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris Capel, On 15/11/2006 03:55:
> I have a bit of difficulty pronouncing a glottal stop in the middle of
> a speech stream, and getting it to sound different from without, or
> from being apparent enough. For instance, the two
>
> la.clsn
> laclsn
>
> sound pretty much the same the way I say them.
In my English English accent, _lash_ is [laS] and _latch_ is [la?S], so one can at least say that the contrast is not exotic. In Lojban, where /./ appears in difficult clusters you could insert the buffer vowel (I use [Y]), so e.g. /la.clsn/ could be [la?YSlsn]. That's what I tend to do with the /./ at the end of cmevla, e.g. {la .alis. cu} [la?alis?YSu].
I wonder whether your pronunciation is very different from mine. The
way I say "latch", I would fear using it as a pronunciation method in
Lojban because of the possible confusion with the "tc" cluster, and
ending up with something sound like "la tclsn" instead of "la .clsn".
The difference between a glottal stop and a consonant that contains a
complete airway restriction isn't apparent to me. For instance,
besides the final "n", what would the difference be between "la tcidu"
and "la .cidun"? Maybe a recording would make the difference plain
enough, though.
Chris Capel
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