Re: [lojban] [nomik] English explanation of our nomic attempt (it's really very simple)

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> OK, so, some of us are trying to play a Nomic game in Lojban.
> Nomic, generally speaking, is a game where the basic gameplay is to
> change the rules of the game, until some combination of rules claims
> that someone has won.
>
> Open Nomics tend to get incredibly complicated, and can sometimes
> run for a very long time (years).  I don't much enjoy that, and
> that's not what we're playing.
>
> We're playing a simplified Nomic called Fantasy Rules Committee.
>
> The main rules for FRC are here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/frc-play/web/regular-ordinances-revised-oct-2007
>
> but that makes them look a lot more complicated than they are;
> here's the super-simplified version:
>
>  There are real rules and fantasy rules; rounds consist of posting
>  fantasy rules, which must all be consistent with each other; you
>  can only post a fantasy rule if you have in the past week; at the
>  beginning, everyone is considered to have posted; last one capable
>  of posting wins
>
> Here's the slightly less simplified version:
>
> - there are real rules/ordinances/{ralju javni}; these are the
>  actual rules of the game, and require a 2/3 majority to change
>
> - there are also fantasy rules/{javni}/{draci javni}/{zdile javni};
>  posting fantasy rules is how the game is played; they are often
>  very silly; all fantasy rules that the judge believes do not
>  contradict other fantasy rules go into force immediately upon
>  adjudication
>
> - a round starts with the judge (last round's winner) declaring a
>  theme for the round; the person with the most score points for the
>  previous round is the Wizard for the next round, but I've no idea
>  what this actually does; I assume fantasy rules sometimes refer to
>  it
>

  Rule 8.  The wizard can ALSO bestow style points, from -1 to 1.

> - rounds consist of posting fantasy rules, which must all be
>  consistent with each other, and should be consistent with the
>  theme
>
> - the judge declares if a rule is consistent, and awards it score
>  points for style and consistency with the theme
>
> - you can only post a fantasy rule if you have in the past week; at
>  the beginning, everyone is considered to have posted
>
> - the last person capable of posting wins; this means that each
>  round continues until interest wears out, at which point people's
>  weeks of allowed posting start expiring, and the last one who
>  posted a rule when everyone else has expired wins
>
> We're playing it mostly in Lojban.  People are welcome to translate
> what they, or others, have said into English, though.
>
> We haven't actually started a round, because we need a judge and a
> theme.  As a random side comment, I thought a meta-Lojban theme
> (like "must not contain abstractions") would be fun, but I don't
> want to judge, as I want to participate.
>
> -Robin

  Okay, so there is no turn structure, or voting on fantasy rules?
They are just propsed at will, and automatically come into effect if
judged valid?   Seems a little... chaotic?
               --gejyspa

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