Re: [lojban] Are attitudinals assertions? (was: Attitudinals again (was: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

i la lojbab cusku di'e

> Lojban design does not recognize the possibility of false
> attitudinals.  Hopefully it will never need to.

I have no idea what that means. People of course can use,
will use and have used attitudinals to show an attitude they
may not hold. I don't see what it could mean that Lojban design
recognize this or not.

i la xod cusku di'e

> If .ui means "I am happy...",

Only in the sense that {xu} means "I am asking a question",
or {pe'i} means "I am giving an opinion".

> that is a provable logical assertion about
> the reality of my emotions.

They are not assertions. If you say {ui ko'a klama}, and I
say {na go'i}, I am not saying "No, you're not happy", I'm
saying "No, ko'a is not coming". If you say {mi gleki le nu
ko'a klama}, then my {na go'i} does mean "No, you're not
happy".

> There are situations where you will call me a
> liar if I say .ui. Sales one, blatant denial another, politics a third.

Yes, it is possible to lie in many different ways, many
of which involve making no assertions, or even asserting
truths.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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