[lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce

[tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com>]

2008/11/12 Elias Friedman <skierb27@gmail.com>:
> The action "to buy butter" cannot be a motive.

I didn't say it was an action; I said it was an intention, an idea. We
can be motivated by ideas.


> A motive is something that causes a person to do a certain thing.

.ie


> "I will buy butter" is not an intention; it is a future action.

Is a perceived future action really an action or an idea? When we say
"I will buy butter", are we reporting an action or an idea?


> If someone were to remember his or her intent to buy butter, that would not
> be motivation to buy butter; it would simply be a recollection of his or her
> intent.

And what would happen to them after recollecting their intent?
Wouldn't they *do something* (including "staying in their house")? Is
it impossible to suppose at least that the recollection can motivate
them to re-observe the state "I need butter, and I have run out of
them", which means an intention as an idea *can* motivate?


> The motive would remain as "I have run out of butter, and I need
> butter". "I intend to buy butter" cannot be a motive because such an intent
> is not a reason for the person to buy butter.

"I have run out of butter, and I need butter" as a reason can be
sufficiently referred with "krinu". If you are asked "Why do you go to
the market", you can justify your action with "krinu". It need not be
restricted to "mukti" alone.

"mukti", on the other hand, is more about incentives which need not be
logically (nibli) or rationally (krinu) grounded. As a motive to go to
the market, you can point to a feeling or emotion:

"Why do you go to the market?"
"Because I feel like it." ("My feeling motivates.")

Likewise:

"What does motivate you to go to the market?"
"The idea of going to there." or "My will."

("My will" itself can be motivated by yet another factor, which can
be, in this case, the perception of "I have run out of butter, and I
need butter".)


> An intention is not a personal condition; it is a course of action that a
> person intends to follow.

If koha has a particular course of action that koha intends to follow,
it conditions that koha's future action is likely to be of a
particular one. Koha's intention conditions koha's action. Therefore
an individual intention is an individual condition.


mu'o mi'e tijlan


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