[lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > So how would you negate just the first part (there is someone
>> > who is not a broda, but is a brode) using naku and gi'e?
>>
>> "su'o da broda naku gi'e brode"
>
>   I'm a bit confused about this.  Under your rules (naku negates everything
> (and only things) to its right), doesn't that mean "X is broda and/or not
> brode"?

{naku} cannot negate *everything* to its right, only subordinate
structures. "gi'e" is above naku (and in fact when you write it in
forethought form it becomes clear that it is superordinate and to the
left of naku: "su'o da (broda naku) gi'e (brode)" = "su'o da ge (broda
naku) gi (brode)".

>    I hope we get this all straigthened out before I tell you "su'o lo
> regerku poi pu batci do na bilma fi loi vidrnreibi".  It might make a
> difference....

If you don't want to confuse your audience, you are better avoiding
na+selbri in the presence of preceding quantifiers, and just use: "no
lo re gerku poi pu batci do cu bilma fi loi vidrnreibi" or "me'i lo re
gerku poi pu batci do cu bilma fi loi vidrnreibi".

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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