[lojban] Re: Philosophical differences.

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

mi'e la stela selckiku

de'i la'o gy Tue, Jul 21, 2009 gy ti'u la'o gy 7:26 AM gy
la'o gy Bob LeChevalier<lojbab@lojban.org> gy srana be zo cimjvo be'o cusku
>
> Bravo on the creation.  Have you defined it in jbovlaste?


No I haven't-- I'm not sure how to define it.  I could add a
definition in Lojban like "x1 lujvo x2 x3 x4 noi ke'a cilmo pe'a x2",
which is basically how I think of it, but I'm not sure that's very
helpful?


> You can habitually add pev to all metaphorical composed lujvo to be safe (to
> make sure that there is room for a more literal lujvo if someone needs it).
>  But, if you've seriously put in the thought as to whether there is a
> plausible non-metaphorical meaning, and are satisfied, omit the pev.
> Especially if it is a word that is finding common usage (under a Zipf's law
> argument, many things can be eliminated).


Yes, .ie sai, if there's any possible sense to the nonmetaphorical
lujvo, I'd want to leave the "pev" in until we're sure it's a common
word, but once we're sure a word is useful, we eventually end up
eliding rafsi from it ruthlessly, like losing the "sel" from
"selplixau".  I'd say "pev" is much more elidable than "sel" on the
whole, but there are still a lot of times when it should stay.  That
was exactly my thought process about zo cimjvo, "Well there's not
really any way a lujvo can be nonmetaphorically wet, is there?  So we
can skip that step for this one."


> taske was added because we simply couldn't be sure that it was culturally
> neutral to conflate it with xagji.


In retrospect I'd rather have the distinction between hunger/thirst
and the more immediate and constant need for air.  But perhaps once we
have a lujvo for air-need that takes on its own character, we'll be
able to build higher-level lujvo on it.  For instance if we were used
to za'e "vartcu" (vacri zei nitcu, air need) or za'e "kijytcu" (is
that how you'd say that, kijno zei nitcu, oxygen need) then after a
while you might be able to evoke the right feeling with a lujvo like
za'e "pamvartcu" or za'e "pamkijytcu", for needing love like needing
to breathe.


mu'o


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