2010/3/13 Jorge Llambías
<jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jonathan Jones <
eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do feel that I should put my two cents in at this point.
>
> In the Smart.fm lesson, the keywords at this point are:
> cusku - express (Changed from "say" by Robin. Approved by me for reasons of
> semantic confusion which I've already expressed.)
keyword that the gi'uste has. Whoever decided to use "say" instead had
the right understanding of "cusku".
Actually, being the primary (and practically only) editor of the list, it was I that originally went with "say". My reason for the choice at the time was length, as "say" is much shorter than "express", and at the time I was editing that particular definition my primary concern was the length thereof, and I wanted to be certain that the definition was not too long for Smart.fm's cards.
The orignal being:
x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for audience x3 via expressive medium x4
was thus shortened to:
x1 says x2 for audience x3 via medium x4
It happens that "express" does not cause the definition to be too long, and coupled with the English-speakers tendency to asociate the word "say" with the meaning of {ba'usku}, I agreed with Robin that "express" would be a better word to use.
Also, .xorxes., I feel I should point out the following:
–verb (used with object)
1. to utter or pronounce; speak: What did you say? I said “Hello!”
–verb (used without object)
10. to speak; declare; express an opinion.
–verb (used without object)
1. to communicate or exchange ideas, information, etc., by speaking: to talk about poetry.
–verb (used with object)
11. to express in words; utter: to talk sense.
–noun
16. the act of talking; speech; conversation, esp. of a familiar or informal kind.
The primary definitions of speak and talk are explicitly vocal, which is why "say" is associated with vocal communication. Although it is true that the word can and often is used in relation to non-verbal communication, it is through context that listeners know that "say" is not being used in it's default manner.
> tavla - talk (Unchanged, for the Baroque* reason.)
> casnu - discuss (Unchanged*.)
> bacru - utter (Unchanged*.)
I think nobody has any problem with those.
mu'o mi'e xorxes