Re: [lojban] Re: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Monday 08 February 2010 07:55:06 Jorge Llambías wrote:
> Not directly, the Book doesn't talk about syllable structure at all.
> But the fact that there are no CVV cmavo with rising diphthongs
> indicates that rising diphthongs are treated differently from falling
> diphthongs. It's as if CiV and CuV start with a consonant cluster (or
> a semi-cluster), so they can't be cmavo.

In that case, I think that the initial "i" or "u" should be treated like a 
consonant, as far as how many can begin a syllable goes. So CCi and CCu 
should be permitted, but not CCCi or CCCu, since a syllable can't begin with 
four consonants. I would, though, allow 'i or 'u onset.

> I would limit the consonantal syllables to the 64 syllables formed by
> a consonant plus l,m,n,r. No codas and no heavier onsets. That's all
> that is needed for type-3 fu'ivla, and type-3 fu'ivla are the only
> ones where I would use consonantal syllables. And exclusively for the
> hyphen syllable, so I would never actually use vocalic "m" in fu'ivla.

I think that whether a syllable is valid in a fu'ivla is independent of 
whether it's a type-3 or type-4 fu'ivla. Changing the hyphen-letter to 
another syllabic consonant should not affect its validity, unless an invalid 
consonant cluster results. Thus "visrda" is valid, so 
is "visnda"; "lerldjamo" is valid, so is "lermdjamo".

Pierre
-- 
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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