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Re: Lojban: You're Doing it Worng (was: Re: [lojban] la .alis.)

Looks good!  Some of the stuff now looks like it's in the wrong column, but I will poke at it a bit later tonight.

I might try to separate the different functions (political/ethnic/linguistic) at some point...

Also, since this was previously an effort that people put time into, does anyone know why the decision was made for these to be fu'ivla as opposed to cmene?

Chris

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 17:21, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
Filled in the table headings and added a 'type' column to specify political, ethnic and/or linguistic relevance/validity. Check it out


co'o mi'e korbi

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 07:22, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone fill me in on that page?  I haven't seen it before, but it looks like a previous attempt to create fu'ivla for... "Nationality/Ethnicity/Language" ?  That gets rid of the gismu, but seems to have the same problem...

And what is the unlabeled column?

Thanks,

Chris


On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 15:54, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems like one first step would be to get all of the country names in there (in whatever form--fu'ivla or cmene, but not gismu, in my opinion), but get the cultural stuff out, so that the word is referring ONLY to the country.  One presumably wants to be able to refer to the Chinese economy, still, but without the cultural stuff.

One could then have gismu that were:

x1 reflects language x2 in aspect x3
x1 reflects culture x2 in aspect x3
x1 reflects nationality x2 in aspect x3

That greatly reduces the number of gismu needed, while removing all of the current assumptions that cultural/language/nationality are tied together.  Plus, it makes it far easier to talk about cultures/languages/nationalities that don't have established gismu.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 15:40, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I also agree that it makes more sense to ditch cultural gismu, since:

1) You'll never be able to have a 'complete set;' there will always be unequal representation
2) You'll never be able to find objective definitions for these cultures/languages/nations/whatever

...it just seems more sensible to me to make them fi'uvla or even just standardized cmene,
otherwise you're diluting gismu space with unclear and unmaintainable elements.
 
We just need to fill in the blanks: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/cultural+fu'ivla


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