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Re: [lojban] la .alis.



On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Jorge Llambías wrote:
As I said, using "la" for:

   ...when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her...

is at the very least semantically odd. (Syntactically, it is fine.)

By English semantics it is somewhat odd.  It seems precisely to represent in Lojban the choice in the English to capitalize what are normally common nouns in English.  Compare "suddenly a John Smith with brown hair ran past her" (would "la" be semantically odd in translating that?).

With the proviso that I don't know what "la" is currently defined as under the adopted xorlo %^)  The capitalization suggests a named referent, and in English suggests the possibility of plural such named referents of which this is but one.  Lojban "la" is (I suspect) ambivalent in number.  It is possible that under xorlo, which IIRC has no default number interpretation, all instances of English "a" should correctly be translated as "pa lo" or "pa le" or "pa la".
 
.ui coi .lojbab. mi salci lonu do xruti
 
The only change to {la} with xorlo is regarding inner and outer quantifiers:
 
(Quoted from http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo)
la is unchanged save for clarification.
And regarding "one <something>":

...if you mean "one bear", consider actually saying "pa cribe"....

...xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actually a bit better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in the whole world brodas....
 
lojbab

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