lu'e (was: Re: ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a

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On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote:


> About {lu'e}, I have two semi-objections which may or may not
> add up to one.
>
> Semi-objection 1: It already has a different meaning.
> The way I understand it, {lu'e} is the reverse operation
> of {la'e}, so {lu'e la'e di'u} = {di'u},
> {lu'e la djan} = {zo djan} and I suppose {lu'e le klama}
> would be {lu le klama li'u} or something like that, i.e.
> essentially a text. I have never seen {lu'e} actually being
> used though, so if you can find a more useful meaning for it
> I won't object very strongly. You would re-define it as
> {lu'e ko'a} = {le du'u makau du ko'a}.


Such a restrictive concept of lu'e is probably why you haven't seen it
used!


Page 134, ex. 10.4

   mi pu cusku lu'e le vi cukta
   I said the title of this book


If John is the goer, then surely

   mi djuno lu'e le klama
   I know the title of the goer
   I know who goes



> Semi-objection 2: It only replaces {makau}, not {mokau},
> {xokau}, {jikau}, {peikau}, etc, and even with {makau},
> in many cases it makes the expressions more convoluted.


It specifically works with these knowing-type gismu, which seems to be a
common use for makau. I don't think it works in the other cases of kau.





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