Re: [lojban] The proposed 'goals' of lojban

[Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>]

I'm just attempting to purify the 'tie-breaker' hit-list, phrasing it
as a linear programming problem would.

Linear programming takes a function you wish to maximize and then
applies a series of constraints. So the 'edge-cases' are the ones that
find one or more possible eqivalent maxima-- for example: 'this way is
more usable, but this way is how we've been doing it.' The point of
ordering things strictly hierarchically, as proposed by Powell, is to
prevent such 'local maxima' from having ties.

And in my last email, I said the function to maximize is 'what can be
said,' subject to Powell's constraints of remaining
1) logical
2) usable
3) unique
4) backwards-compatible

see the content of my previous email for my suggested precise definitions.

co'o mi'e korbi

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 13:10, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
> Man, I keep looking at you email... You're going to resolve questions that
> have no answers?? For the minimum necessary?? I'm not sure I parse, but if I
> do... Wtf?
>
> Chris
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
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> On Apr 5, 2010 20:01, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I hope no one misunderstands, to think that Lojban does not already
> meet the goals set down in the essay. It does meet them. Of course
> nothing is perfect-- nor can it ever be-- but Lojban leaves other
> languages in the dust, since they do not even make the attempt.
>
> The reason we need the goals formalized is to guide in clarifying rare
> words and edge-cases. Given a set of choices on a specific issue,
> these goals act like weights on a scale to influence the decision.
>
> With that in mind, these goals will not cause the BPFK to dither
> endlessly, trying to perfectly meet the goals; rather, the goals will
> let the BPFK quickly resolve questions for which there are no answers,
> the minimum necessary to settle on a release of Lojban version 5.
>
> Goal #1 currently reads: "Lojban should be as logical (internally
> consistent, semantically complete, ??? I don't really know how to
> define this well) as possible".
>
> My suggestion for goal #1 is as follows: "Minimize rule exceptions and
> maximize how predictably the components combine." What did I miss?
>
> -Eppcott
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 5, 2010, at 20:56, 白松 Oren wrote:
>>
>>> Mission: Full expressive freedom: Any meaning expressed in a natural
>>> language can be expressed in Lojban, and at any desired level of
>>> ambiguity or precision.
>>
>>
>> We are not interested in supporting ambiguity. We are interested in
>> supporting vagueness.
>>
>> (Ambiguity is discrete; vagueness is continuous. Ambiguity means the
>> listener has to choose among distinct and possibly very dissimilar
>> meanings;
>> vagueness means the listener gets a broad but contiguous cluster.
>> Ambiguity,
>> if possible in the language, has to be fixed by rewriting; vagueness can
>> be
>> fixed by adding elements.)
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Reid                                  <http://switchb.org/kpreid/>
>>
>>
>>
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