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Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community.
I'm proposing setting a group of experienced Lojbanists with the
task of making these sorts of decisions; if you're worried, join up
and help.
As far as I'm aware, no-one is proposing the sorts of things you're
worried about.
-Robin
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 04:30:25PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Just to clarify, we're not talking about huge re-constructional
> changes here are we? We're talking about things like xorlo and
> dotside. If I have to re-learn the gismu that I know now and
> re-understand a new tense system, I would change my vote. But as
> I suspect that what RLPowell is talking about is nothing so
> drastic as all that, I'm ok with change.
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen
> <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 02:02:25PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its
> > > current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced
> > > Lojbanists see that improvements could be made.
> > >
> > > Agree or disagree?
> >
> > I used to believe that the most important thing for the regular user and
> > learner of Lojban was that the language should not change from under their
> > feet, so that the effort spent learning it would not go to waste.
> >
> > But the responses I've seen to this poll from beginners and old-timers
> > alike have convinced me that, if this was the prevailing opinion fifteen
> > years ago, it is certainly not the prevailing opinion now.
> >
> > It does give me pause that the LLG now appears to be on the course to
> > breaking the promise it made in CLL in 1997: “You can learn the language
> > described here with assurance that (unlike previous versions of Lojban and
> > Loglan, as well as most other artificial languages) it will not be subject
> > to further fiddling by language-meisters.” But, since the community does not
> > seem to care that much about stability, maybe that does not after all
> > represent a fatal blow to the LLG's credibility?
> >
> > In any case, from now on I will stop arguing for conservatism on behalf of
> > a silent majority that turns out to nothing but a product of confirmation
> > bias and wishful thinking.
> >
> > (I may still protest if the BPFK tries to effect a change that I,
> > personally, find too difficult to learn, but I don't expect such objections
> > to carry much force.)
> >
> > --
> > Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
> > The names of a species, empire, language, homeworld, homestar and so
> > on will all be self-evidently related; Ogrons come from Ogros,
> > Arisians come from Arisia, Arcturans come from Arcturus, and Humans no
> > doubt come from Humus. --Justin B. Rye in A Primer In SF Xenolinguistics
> >
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They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
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