Re: [lojban] Re: Questions about jorne

[Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>]

Sorry for not being more clear, this has nothing to do with the
dictionary project (hence the new subject line). Perhaps it was a
mistake to message the whole list; my question regards the goals of a
particular project, namely 'jorne.'

My question was 'what are the goals?' The citations were to
demonstrate similar projects are designing complex languages from
scratch to meet similar goals, as devil's advocacy arguing against
adapting Lojban for such tasks, my interpretation of jorne's
description.

.u'u co'o ro do

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 16:06, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder
- LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> Lindar wrote:
>>
>> NOTE: Skip to the bottom for the short version.
>
> While Oren quoted your post in his reply, he was not replying to you, but
> rather to Brian Eubanks who posted about his Jorne project.
>
> http://jorne.sourceforge.net/
>
> Jorne is not a dictionary, and only vaguely related to a dictionary project,
> being more akin to the sort of artificial intelligence applications I
> mentioned a few days ago.  It might be possible to explain it in
> non-technical English you seem to want, I'm not the one to do it.  But it
> involves using Lojban as a tool for exploring data that has been
> appropriately linked for such exploration.
>
>>> A limitless vocabulary? The discussion began because we're trying to
>>> work up to a 6000 word dictionary... endless additions don't seem
>>> feasible.
>>
>> You seem to be missing some big key here. We are, right now,
>> documenting vocabulary to be used in common conversation,
>
> Jorne would need vocabulary documented to be used in "computer conversation"
> of a sort.  That vocabulary has to be defined in a certain way to be so
> usable.
>
>> Maybe, instead of being pessimistic, you could help the BPFK
>> translation project or Conversation Guide project so we can actually
>> have a finished product to use as source-material for a dictionary? =D
>
> There are many other projects going on in the Lojban world besides those
> two.
>
>> I think whatever this is that
>> you're proposing is completely unrelated to the dictionary effort,
>
> Almost completely so, but it could certainly make use of any dictionary
> results, if the dictionary were designed with such application in mind.
>
>> so let's drop that idea entirely from the conversation.
>
> He posted under a different subject line, indicating that it was a different
> conversation.
>
>> What, EXACTLY, are you suggesting we do with 'jorne', and what is it
>> meant to accomplish?
>
> See the link above (and the links therein), but they use the jargon of
> computer-language design and AI.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_web
> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-features/
>
> are two that seemed relevant to Oren's comments, but I won't pretend to
> fully understand them myself.
>
> lojbab
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