Re: [lojban] PA ji'i PA

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 11:11:45AM +0100, tijlan wrote:
>>
>> Should {muno ji'i xano
>> prenu} mean "fifty or sixty people" or "five thousand and approximately
>> sixty people"?
>
> The CLL is pretty clear on the fact that the latter is correct:
> http://dag.github.com/cll/18/9/
> Why Jorge asserts the former I have no idea.

Because CLL's convention is useless, absurd, arbitrary, against common
sense, and so on, why else? :)

Also, not that this really matters all that much, but that's how I
used it before CLL was written, see:

http://groups.google.com.ar/group/lojban/browse_frm/thread/aa86dc9592a0faf8/fff9c31e2b5aba4c?lnk=gst

"no'i la donkixotes goi ko'a e la santcopansas goi ko'e facki fi fo'a
goi cinoji'ivono bifymlo be va le srasu foldi"

Interesting that I used "ntc", probably without much thought, and the
use of "va" is the ancient one there, neither CLL's nor the one I
prefer now.

I see ji'i in a class with su'o/su'e/za'u/me'i/da'a, providing a range
of numbers rather than one specific number, and taking a reference
number as a complement:

su'o pamu = at least fifteeen
su'e pamu = at most fifteen
za'u pamu = more than fifteen
me'i pamu = less than fifteen
da'a pamu = all but fifteen
ji'i pamu = around fifteen

When two of these ranges are used together, my preferred convention is
that if they are compatible, they are ANDed, but if they are
incompatible they are ORed:

su'o pamu su'e reno = between fifteen and twenty
me'i pamu za'u reno = less than fifteen or more than twenty
(ji'i) pamu ji'i reno = around fifteen or twenty

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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