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Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun

That doesen't seem to solve the problem that d2 is a fact/du'u, while g2 is an event.

The gismu list, under {djuno}, mentions {tadjyju'o} for "know how to". It's not in jbovlaste. That almost flies:

d1djuno lo du'u t1 tadji t2 -- x1 knows that x2 is a method for doing x3

But there d1 knows that the method exists, but not necessarily how to implement it.

I guess to me, "knowing how to do something" is {certu} or {cremli}. But that notion doesn't contribute much to the other quandaries.


On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu?
gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause of event x2; *x1 does/brings about x2*"

For example:
gauju'o - g1=d1 knows how to bring about g2=d2

2010/5/7 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a translation in
> jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", not "persuade to
> do something".

Similarly:

djuno: know that something is true
????: know how to do something

facki: find out that something is true
????: find out how to do something

cilre: learn that something is true
????: learn to do something

ctuca: teach that something is true
????: teach to do something

morji: remember that something is true
????: remember to do something

jdice: decide that something is true
????: decide to do something

Solve one and maybe you will solve them all.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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