Re: [lojban] Named multiples

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is. {la mersedes bents} always was {named (mersedes bents)}.

And that would remain so.

> After the
> unification, {mersedes bents karce} can be {[named (mersedes)][named
> bents][karce]} or {[named (mersedes bents)][karce]}, longer names will give
> a lot more.

Yes, if you want a multiple cmevla name as a single name you would
still have to use "la": "lo karce pe la mersedes bents".

>> And, like for any other word, you cannot pause in the middle of a
>> cmevla
>
> Not sure. IMO, given the properly stressed speech, listener can recover the
> accidental extra pause between the syllables of the long
> gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla/cmevla, with some exceptions _like_ pause before "ku" in
> "la SELBRIkuLIKENAMEs", which, most probably, will be detected as "parsing
> error".

Can you give an example? I can't understand what you are saying. Are
you talking about human parsing (which uses the meaning of words to
help with parsing them) or pure machine parsing of sounds without
regard to meaning of the words? The latter is perfectly defined for
Lojban, and is not in the least affected by the merging of cmevla with
brivla.

> It is impossible to avoid the extra pauses in spoken conversation (need to
> take a breath in the middle of a-very-long-and-difficult-foreign-name,
> network loose several voice packets, noise, speaker distraction). So, the
> change can be dangerous.

How so? The exact same problem exists with or without the change. The
change has no relevance to word parsing.

> BTW, pause in the speech is annoying, so, (while it is OK for written
> language,) the spoken one, (trying to exploit the "isomorphism" with the
> text,( full of cmene,)) can become a whole mess.

Why would a text be full of cmevla? As you say, cmevla are a
cumbersome type of word, so they don't blend well with normal Lojban
words. Simplifying their syntax would not make them morphologically
prettier, it would only make the syntax simpler.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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