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Re: [lojban] Named multiples
de'i li 18 pi'e 05 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
> >> I noticed something on that page that I didn't understand. Why get rid
> of
> >> sa? What could be more clear than "take next word and erase all previous
> >> words back to the last occurrence of the following word"?
> >
> > (It's about selma'o, not about specific words.)
>
> Wait, the proposal then is to get rid of all of SA, not just sa itself? I
> don't think I want to live in a world without {si}.
.skamyxatra
Firstly, that's not what he meant. "{sa}" is currently defined to erase
everything back through the last occurrence of a word of the same {selma'o} as
what follows, not the last occurrence of the same exact word. Secondly, "{sa}"
is the only {cmavo} of {selma'o} SA; each of the three erasure {cmavo} belongs
to its own {selma'o}, which it shares with no other. The fact that they each
have completely different effects on the grammar should have been a tip-off to
you.
> ta'onai. So, I haven't been able to completely follow the conversation
> fully. Would the proposed merging cause cmevla to become valid selbri
> words? e.g. something like {mi spagetis. citka}?
Yes, that is the proposal.
> What would be the ramifications of this?
Increased ease of converting foreign words to Lojban {selbri} without having to
deal with {fu'ivla} morphology or "{me la}." However, prior texts which did
not separate {cmevla} from following {selbri} (e.g., "{la .ktulxus. senva
denpa}") would either take on a completely different meaning or become invalid.
> What would be the proposed default meaning of something like {ko'a cu djan
> ko'e ko'i}?
From earlier in the thread:
> "x1 is named '...'" would probably be the default meaning for cmevla. But
> other cmevla, like "spagetis" or "opel" would carry more meaning than just
> "x1 is named '...'".
mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
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