Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show

[Alex Moore <alexjean9@gmail.com>]

(This got a lot longer than I intended, sorry. I just wanted to throw in 
stuff as brain food for traditions or habits in Lojgugde)

I'm not a part of your project (but I think it's amazing, and how in-depth you're making this is really cool).

I thought I might add some ideas on the "culture" subject.

I learned some tid-bits of French culture (some of this applies to most other European countries)
* The French build very close (not a lot of casual friendships) friendships which last a lifetime.� We may keep in contact with a few of our high school or college mates, but they stay in close relation with most/all of their friends (probably partly due to have their entire country the size of Texas)
* The European "personal bubble" is much smaller than our American one.� Europeans stand very close to each other when talking (even at the store or fast-food place), which bothers most Americans who aren't used to it.
* (the French are more lax about this with tourists because they're used to it), before engaging anyone in conversation (sales clerk, pastry shop owner) you greet this person with "Bonjour" (ex: you don't say "excuse me sir do you know what time it is?", you say "Hello sir (then wait for him to say hello back), do you know what time it is?").� You also don't greet random people on the street with "Hi", like Americans sometimes will.
* When children make friends the friends come to their house and are introduced to the parents (ex: "hi mom this my friend John, we're gonna go up to my room and play video games" doesn't normally happen), same goes for girl and boyfriends.
* The French school system will track kids (starting in middle school based on abilities and high school based on abilities and what job the kid wants in the future) if a student does poorly and falls out of their track you can't get them back in (so parents take schoolwork very seriously), and the teachers change classes, not kids.� So the kids are tracked exactly and are with kids doing things similar to what they plan to do.� Also the French have college paid for (like normal school), but you don't go back to college or change majors, you're lock into what you're doing.

Not saying this sort of stuff should be incorporated, mostly I'm throwing this out to get ideas of what sort of day to day culture actions could be added from existing cultures or made-up to make Lojgugde have it's own identity.

What is the family dynamic (stay-at-home mom's common? 50 50 split stay at home moms and dads? is a stay-at-home rare?)
Do children often work in family businesses?
How does the school system work? (in England the public school system isn't great, but private (/boarding schools) are more common.� Do kids start at age 5? 3? 10?� Are they tracked (like the French school system)?
Do they take one course at a time (like one class all day for 4 weeks and then move onto another class)?� Do the kids have to take a traditional four courses, or do they study what interests them?
What is the etiquette for greeting someone, "coi *name*", or "coi pendo".� Do you say "coi mamta" or is the mother's name used?
Because they live in a space station do they have number of children laws? Or do they just plan to build more "tubes" as population increases?
Do their names change over time? (Native American style where they earn their names for their deeds/what they do), do they have a casual name and a close personal name? Do they even have middle or last names? Since we name kids stuff like Honor or Peace could a child be named "panpis" or are their names Lojbanizations of names from various Earth cultures?
Since the space station only seems to have about 200,000 residents (and maybe less at some point) are "families" famose or infamous in social satus within a local sense ( 1-5k radius for the suburb areas?) like small towns?

I've just been reading stuff on the mailing list, so I'm sorry if I said anything that has already been talked about, I was just thinking about the culture stuff which would be almost immediately encountered by the second or third episode/when "Alpha" meets "Beta's" family.

Theirs other stuff too like unions and how leadership/decisions are made, but I tried to stick with stuff "Alpha" would be more likely to encounter soon.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

On Saturday 17 July 2010 21:24:55 CosmicRay wrote:
> How many people would be needed to safely "seed" that number of descendants
> without the associated problems that a genetic bottleneck can produce? �How
> long, assuming that the population wasn't added to by additional colonisers
> from Earth (or the net difference between joiners and leavers is zero), for
> the colony to naturally attain that number?
>
> Essentially I'm wondering if the station was there right now with that
> number of people, when was it founded and with how many people?

I checked [[Minimum viable population]]. There is no MVP given for humans, but
the smallest figure is 500 (except for the Laysan Duck which had an effective
population size of 7 once). To avoid founder effects, they should be from all
over the world. To grow from 500 to 200k at the maximum worldwide growth rate
of 2.2% would take 275 years.

Pierre
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