Re: [lojban] Re: Teaching methods, especially WRT terminators, and validation thereof

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now, I admit to not having an example bridi using all those
> terminators, there may be terminators {cu} doesn't enable elision of I
> missed, and some of those I listed may not be able to elid with {cu}. It is
> an extreme example to show my point.

It may be hard to come up with examples where you may need more than
two different kinds of terminator, but it's easy to come up with
examples where you may need to use one kind several times:

lo pendo be lo bruna be lo speni be lo pendo be lo mamta be mi cu zvati ti

Instead of "cu" you could use "be'o be'o be'o be'o be'o" or "ku ku ku
ku ku" or some combination of them, but you can't use less than five.
Not that anyone would actually understand what you meant anyway, but
at least with "cu" it's trivial to be sure it's grammatical, whereas
with terminators, you will have to spend some time figuring it out.
That's an extreme case, but the principle is the same (if less
extreme) even when you get down to a single terminator. The processing
you need to do in your head is less with "cu" than with any
terminator.

(I personally exclude "toi", "li'u", and "te'u", which enclose full
texts, from the category of elidable terminators. I never elide them,
and I think it's bad to elide them even in the rare cases when they
can be.)

> .xorxes. is one of the most respected members of this community. I don't
> think anyone would say his word is law,

I sure hope not. I love it when I manage to persuade someone with my
point of view, but I would hate to give orders or lay down the law. If
someone does something just because I say so, not because they are
convinced, I don't like it.

> and most everyone has at least
> privately disagreed with him on occasion,

I don't think you need to hedge that with "most"... :)

>what he says is well thought out,
> usually makes a good deal of sense, and is agreeable to the majority if not
> the entirety of those who listen to him.

Thanks for the compliments!

> Also, {xorlo}, the biggest contribution to Lojban since events before I
> joined. It's named xorlo after the creator of the proposal.

I'm not completely happy that xorlo is attributed to me so much. I
think And Rosta had a lot to do with it, and many others participated
in the discussions that led to that. The word "xorlo", if I'm not
mistaken, was coined by pc as a pejorative.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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