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Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI



Ok.  If you're going to invent a bunch of new cmavo then it seems like your definition of UI (the new definition) should be the one that gets assigned to the experimental space.

Let {.ai mi klama} be "I intend/intended/am-intentionally to come[ing]" and let {.ai'i mi klama} be "I come [with intention]".  It seems silly to change the existing definition of {.ai} to something that you think is right (and seemingly everybody else disagrees with) and moving the existing definition to the experimental place.

Reductio ad absurdum: 
I want to be able to express the word "internet" but the existing word for "data" doesn't have the connotation that it is computer data spanning multiple computers.  Ergo, I will re-assign the word {datni} to be "internet" and if anybody wants to use the (inferior) old meaning, they can use {datni'oi}.

Ok, that was a silly example.  But my point is, you're the one suggesting a new meaning.  You take the experimental space.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think I've figured out what I mean.
{.ai} should be "intentionally", not "I intend to..." like an
evidential.
{.a'o} should be "hopefully", not "I hope..." like an evidential.

I said something earlier today after getting way too stressed out
about this (If you couldn't tell, I have some issues with social
interaction. I'm really working on it.) that embodied what I think is
the correct usage. It was something to the tune of {.i mi nitcu lo
nu .ai klama le zarci pu lo nu tervecnu lo bisyladru kei pu lo nu
jundi le skina be lo tcebarda remymi'i}. If we went with the
'standard' definition, it would mean something like "I need to intend
to...", which isn't at all what I meant. I wanted to express that I
was doing everything intentionally/that I felt intent about it, which
is what UI1 should be. If people absolutely need that shortcut, then
why don't we make -evidentials- specifically for these definitions and
make all of UI1 what I've been saying it should be?

.ai'i - I intend...
.a'oi - I hope...
.e'ai - I permit...
.e'oi - I request...
.e'ui - I suggest...
.ei'i - I should...

I think this would be a fantastic addition to the language, and would
resolve the issue on both ends of the spectrum. For those that do not
like the irrealis UI, it would give them their intended meaning of UI
back. For those that specifically want these irrealis UI, we could
make them into evidentials, which provides a grammatical contiguity,
and makes updating reading material very easy as it would take a
simple find-and-replace. This proposal, to me, seems like it would
satisfy everybody involved. I feel very strongly about this, and would
greatly appreciate constructive feedback.

I do very much apologise for any perceived 'attitude'. Also thank you
to Lojbab for explaining very well what he explained. That makes
sense, and gave me the idea for this proposal. I also would like to
apologise for beating a dead zombie horse.

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