Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo)

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

2010/9/24 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
> I prefer suffix -tce in these cases. "mutce lo ka broda" -> "brodytce".

Why do you prefer it?  I thought it made just as much sense either
way: "tcebo'e", something which is brode in a way that relates to
something being mutce (specifically, that its quality of being brode
is a se mutce), "bo'etce", something which is mutce in a way that
relates to something being brode (specifically, that what it's mutce
is the quality of being brode).

> Other common suffixy lujvo makers are -rai, -mau (or -zma), -ze'a,
> -bi'o, -gau
>
> And you forgot to mention zan- and mal-!

Yeah, those are good ones!

I'm wondering what other gismu could be similarly productive.  Here
are some ideas, of varying quality, with examples:

banli (bal, ba'i), za'e "balbra", banli zei barda, grandly large.
bredi (red, bre), za'e "klabre", klama zei bredi, ready to go.
cafne (caf), za'e "cafselsku", cafne zei se zei cusku, often said.
casnu (snu), za'e "timsnu", tcima zei casnu, to discuss the weather.
certu (cre), za'e "djacre", cidja zei certu, foodie, gourmet.
cinri (ci'i), za'e "ci'icta", cinri zei catlu, to look at something
interesting.
ckini (ki'i), za'e "ku'urki'i", ckunu zei ckini, conifer related.
claxu (cau), za'e "smucau", smuni zei claxu, meaningless.
cpacu (cpa), za'e "nujycpa", snuji zei cpacu, to get a sandwich.
cpedu (cpe), za'e "nujycpe", snuji zei cpedu, to ask for a sandwich.
culno (clu), za'e "jauclu", djacu zei culno, full of water.
cumki (cum, cu'i), za'e "parcu'i", cpare zei cumki, possible to climb.
cupra (pra), za'e "djapra", cidja zei cupra, to produce food.
curmi (cru), za'e "klacru", klama zei curmi, to allow to go.
daspo (spo), za'e "tcaspo", tcadu zei daspo, to destroy a city.
denpa (dep, de'a), za'e "kande'a", kansa zei denpa, to wait for
someone to join you.
derxi (dre), za'e "ta'udre", taxfu zei derxi, a pile of clothes.
dukse (dus, du'e), za'e "camdu'e", carmi zei dukse, too bright.
fliba (fli), za'e "zbafli", zbasu zei fliba, to fail at making.
jgira (jgi), za'e "jgifi'i", jgira zei finti, to proudly invent.
jundi (jud, ju'i), za'e "skuju'i", cusku zei jundi, paying attention
to what someone's saying.
junri (jur), za'e "jursnu", junri zei casnu, to discuss seriously.
kajde (jde), za'e "timjde", tcima zei kajde, to warn about the weather.
kakne (ka'e), za'e "dzuka'e", cadzu zei kakne, able to walk.
kansa (kan), za'e "kansa'a", kansa zei sanga, to sing together.
krefu (ref, ke'u), za'e "ke'ukla", krefu zei klama, to go again.
masno (sno), za'e "ctisno", citka zei masno, to eat slowly.
milxe (mli), za'e "ti'amli", tcima zei milxe, mild weather.
mulno (mul, mu'o), za'e "zbamu'o", zbasu zei mulno, completely built.
nenri (ner, ne'i), za'e "zdane'i", zdani zei nenri, inside a house.
nitcu (tcu), za'e "gletcu", gletu zei nitcu, horny, needing sex.
pensi (pes, pei), za'e "papypei", panpi zei pensi, to think of peace.
pilno (pli), za'e "sampli", skami zei pilno, to use a computer.
pixra (pir, xra), za'e "cpixra", cipni zei pixra, a picture of a bird.
ponse (pos, po'e), za'e "mrupo'e", mruli zei ponse, to have a hammer.
prami (pam, pa'i), za'e "spepa'i", speni zei prami, to love one's spouse.
rapli (rap), za'e "rapca'e", rapli zei catke, to repeatedly shove.
rarna (rar), za'e "rarta'a", rarna zei tavla, to speak naturally.
ruble (rub, ble), za'e "blable", blanu zei ruble, faintly blue.
senva (sev, sne), za'e "pe'osne" pendo zei senva, to dream of a friend.
sidju (dju), za'e "kladju", klama zei sidju, to help someone go.
simlu (mlu), za'e "xedmlu", xendo zei simlu, to seem kind.
simsa (smi), za'e "cpismi", cipni zei simsa, birdlike.
simxu (sim, si'u), za'e "xensi'u", xebni zei simxu, to hate each other.
sisti (sti), za'e "ctisti", citka zei sisti, to stop eating.
snuti (nut), za'e "nutydicra", snuti zei dicra, to accidentally interrupt.
srera (sre), za'e "srekri", srera zei krici, to mistakenly believe.
stodi (sto), za'e "stoxendo", stodi zei xendo, consistently kind.
tatpi (ta'i), za'e "bajyta'i", bajra zei tatpi, tired from running.
terpa (tep, te'a), za'e "sincyte'a", since zei terpa, afraid of snakes.
troci (toc, toi), za'e "zbatoi", zbasu zei troci, try to make.
virnu (vri), za'e "vrisku", virnu zei cusku, say bravely.
xamgu (xag, xau), za'e "xagyge'u", xamgu zei gerku, good dog.
xanri (xar), za'e "xarblo", xanri zei bloti, an imaginary boat.
xebni (xen, xei), za'e "jboxei", lojbo zei xebni, to hate Lojban.
xendo (xed, xe'o), za'e "xe'odju", xendo zei sidju, to kindly help.
xenru (xer, xe'u), za'e "xersku", xenru zei cusku, to regret saying.
xlali (xla), za'e "xladja", xlali zei cidja, bad food.
zungi (zug), za'e "ctizungi", citka zei zungi, guilty for eating, how
one feels after having some xladja :D

Not all of those are really all that productive.  But in trying to
think of some I did notice some patterns.

One is emotion words, it's easy to tack them onto an action to also
show how the actor felt about the action, like putting xer- (xenru) on
something to show it was done regretfully or putting gek- or gei-
(gleki) to show it was done happily.

Another category is gismu that have an action as one of their
arguments, it's easy to combine them with an action word, like "masno"
has as its x2 something that's done slowly, so you can combine it with
an action to show that the action is done slowly, or with "bredi" the
x2 is something the x1 is ready for, so it makes sense to combine it
with anything someone could be ready to do.

One of my favorites lately has been "nut", snuti, accidental.  I've
just been really into the way that produces useful and evocative lujvo
with almost any action, like za'e "nutnerkla" (snuti nenri klama), to
enter accidentally, or za'e "nutyvi'a" (snuti viska) to accidentally
see.

Also there's general qualities that just about anything can have, for
instance anything can be good (xamgu, xag, xau) or bad (xlali, xla),
though I'm not sure how that should differ in general from
zabna/mabla, or anything can be imaginary (xanri, xar) or happen in a
dream (senva, sev, sne).

But anyway I don't mean to be overwhelming.  I don't really think we
can get the community as a whole to start making filjvo with many
things at once, then it wouldn't be so easy.  We have a few that we've
established for a long time, like bi'o and gau, and some that we've
started to explore more recently, like tce and jbo.  I think it might
work to choose just a few more to explore next.  I'm partial towards
"snuti" (nut, accidental) as I mentioned, and "melbi" (mel, mle,
beautiful).

mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o

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