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Re: [lojban] Re: comics
Luke, despite what Lindar constantly babbles on about, our method does
NOT shun {cu}. It never has. It never will. (Or at least, I never
will.) We just teach it later. We teach it, in my mind, better,
because we don't teach it like a crutch. We put terminator as the
emphasis, with {cu} mentioned as a tool that can be used, instead of
vise versa. I think it promotes a stronger fundamental knowledge of
when terminators are needed.
And using {cu} to cut out of a quote should be something any competent
lojbanist can do - kudos to anyone who does it.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> .i lo nu cusku lu mi na zgana da poi glico cu xalbo bebna
>> Expressing "I do not observe that which is English is frivolously
>> foolish.
>> Here's where I pick up again to some degree. Pop in that end-quote and
>> we're good, I think.
> I totally just forgot the li'u, but it's still ok since the {cu} tells the
> user that this is outside of the quote since the bridi inside the quote has
> already had it's selbri and the {nu} has also had it's {cusku} selbri, the
> only selbri left to {cu} is the main bridi. More goodness of cu, I was able
> to avoid {ku'o li'u kei ku} (not that it was best practice to drop the li'u
> =p
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > .i mi finti lo lujvo
>> "I invent a lujvo."
>>
>> .i mi ranju tavla fi tu'a la lindar .u'i zo'o
>> I persist-ish talk about that thing with Lindar (lol).
>> (I assume you meant ranji) You want {pu je ca'o}, I believe.
>>
>> > .i lo mi pilno be zo jbosevyvajpre be'o simsa lo glico pe zoi .gy self
>> > important .gy
>> My -user of "jbosevyvajpre"-ish similar thing an English thing of
>> 'self important'.
>> You formed a tanru here. If you had used ku/cu it would have read with
>> a selbri, but I think you wanted to say {.i lo se valsi be zo
>> jbosevyvajpre bei lo jbobau be'o ku simsa lo se valsi be zoi gy. self-
>> important .gy. bei lo glibau be'o ku}, which is like "The meaning of
>> the word 'jbosevyvajpre' is like the meaning of the word 'self-
>> important'.".
>>
>> > .i mi cusku mu'i lo nu lo glico cu na xlarai
>> I express because the English-thing isn't the worst.
>> This is about where I lost you, so I have no suggestions here.
>>
>> > .i lo nu cusku lu mi na zgana da poi glico cu xalbo bebna
>> Expressing "I do not observe that which is English is frivolously
>> foolish.
>> Here's where I pick up again to some degree. Pop in that end-quote and
>> we're good, I think. (It still parses AFAIK but it's confusing to
>> leave a quote dangling like that.) Also, in response, I totally agree
>> here. However, the language should be defined in itself, not in
>> English. The English definition should derive from the original
>> Lojban, not the other way around.
>>
>> > .i va'i mi tugni
>> In other words, I agree.
>> You kinda lost me in the middle, so I'm not sure with what you're
>> agreeing.
>>
>> .i lo jbobau cu zmadu lo glibau lo nu se valsi
>> Lojban is more than English being a meaning.
>> lo te zmadu is a ka, not a nu. Should be {.i lo jbobau ku zmadu lo
>> glibau lo ka valsi ce'u} or somesuch. "Lojban is more than English in
>> meaning.". I'm still not sure exactly what is meant here. However,
>> Lojban certainly does have a wider range of meanings and possible
>> meanings in general. That's part of the design.
>>
>> > .i ku'i mi jinvi lo du'u bebna fa lo nu cusku lo du'u lo glibau cu na se
>> > tirna mi
>> However, I opine that the foolish thing is expressing fact English
>> isn't heard by me.
>> {mi jinvi} is stating that you opine, {pe'i} is actually indicative of
>> an opinion. It's like the difference between {.i .ui mi klama} and {.i
>> mi gleki lo nu klama}. The first one actually expresses the happiness.
>> Also, a selsku is a se du'u, not the predication itself. So...are you
>> saying that you are also foolish for disregarding English...or...?
>>
>> Plenty of errors, but the important thing is that you are trying.
>> .i ki'e do mi ckire fi lo nu do se bangu la .lojban.
>>
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