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Re: [lojban] Re: comics



Yes, I know.  I just enjoy ribbing lindar about places were cu is better.  Similar to how he enjoys pointing out errors that he ascribes to an overuse of cu where terminators would have worked "better" ;)

All in good fun.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com> wrote:
Luke, despite what Lindar constantly babbles on about, our method does
NOT shun {cu}. It never has. It never will. (Or at least, I never
will.) We just teach it later. We teach it, in my mind, better,
because we don't teach it like a crutch. We put terminator as the
emphasis, with {cu} mentioned as a tool that can be used, instead of
vise versa. I think it promotes a stronger fundamental knowledge of
when terminators are needed.

And using {cu} to cut out of a quote should be something any competent
lojbanist can do - kudos to anyone who does it.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> .i lo nu cusku lu mi na zgana da poi glico cu xalbo bebna
>> Expressing "I do not observe that which is English is frivolously
>> foolish.
>> Here's where I pick up again to some degree. Pop in that end-quote and
>> we're good, I think.
> I totally just forgot the li'u, but it's still ok since the {cu} tells the
> user that this is outside of the quote since the bridi inside the quote has
> already had it's selbri and the {nu} has also had it's {cusku} selbri, the
> only selbri left to {cu} is the main bridi.  More goodness of cu, I was able
> to avoid {ku'o li'u kei ku} (not that it was best practice to drop the li'u
>   =p
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > .i mi finti lo lujvo
>> "I invent a lujvo."
>>
>> .i mi ranju tavla fi tu'a la lindar .u'i zo'o
>> I persist-ish talk about that thing with Lindar (lol).
>> (I assume you meant ranji) You want {pu je ca'o}, I believe.
>>
>> > .i lo mi pilno be zo jbosevyvajpre be'o simsa lo glico pe zoi .gy self
>> > important .gy
>> My -user of "jbosevyvajpre"-ish similar thing an English thing of
>> 'self important'.
>> You formed a tanru here. If you had used ku/cu it would have read with
>> a selbri, but I think you wanted to say {.i lo se valsi be zo
>> jbosevyvajpre bei lo jbobau be'o ku simsa lo se valsi be zoi gy. self-
>> important .gy. bei lo glibau be'o ku}, which is like "The meaning of
>> the word 'jbosevyvajpre' is like the meaning of the word 'self-
>> important'.".
>>
>> > .i mi cusku mu'i lo nu lo glico cu na xlarai
>> I express because the English-thing isn't the worst.
>> This is about where I lost you, so I have no suggestions here.
>>
>> > .i lo nu cusku lu mi na zgana da poi glico cu xalbo bebna
>> Expressing "I do not observe that which is English is frivolously
>> foolish.
>> Here's where I pick up again to some degree. Pop in that end-quote and
>> we're good, I think. (It still parses AFAIK but it's confusing to
>> leave a quote dangling like that.) Also, in response, I totally agree
>> here. However, the language should be defined in itself, not in
>> English. The English definition should derive from the original
>> Lojban, not the other way around.
>>
>> > .i va'i mi tugni
>> In other words, I agree.
>> You kinda lost me in the middle, so I'm not sure with what you're
>> agreeing.
>>
>> .i lo jbobau cu zmadu lo glibau lo nu se valsi
>> Lojban is more than English being a meaning.
>> lo te zmadu is a ka, not a nu. Should be {.i lo jbobau ku zmadu lo
>> glibau lo ka valsi ce'u} or somesuch. "Lojban is more than English in
>> meaning.". I'm still not sure exactly what is meant here. However,
>> Lojban certainly does have a wider range of meanings and possible
>> meanings in general. That's part of the design.
>>
>> > .i ku'i mi jinvi lo du'u bebna fa lo nu cusku lo du'u lo glibau cu na se
>> > tirna mi
>> However, I opine that the foolish thing is expressing fact English
>> isn't heard by me.
>> {mi jinvi} is stating that you opine, {pe'i} is actually indicative of
>> an opinion. It's like the difference between {.i .ui mi klama} and {.i
>> mi gleki lo nu klama}. The first one actually expresses the happiness.
>> Also, a selsku is a se du'u, not the predication itself. So...are you
>> saying that you are also foolish for disregarding English...or...?
>>
>> Plenty of errors, but the important thing is that you are trying.
>> .i ki'e do mi ckire fi lo nu do se bangu la .lojban.
>>
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