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Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra



ta'o ma se smuni lu genai broda ginai brode li'u .i mi puca jinvi lo du'u lu genai broda gi brode li'u cu drani .i mu'i ma do reroi cusku zo nai

On Oct 31, 2010 9:29 PM, "Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seriously, stop using English to define Lojban. That's your whole
>> problem. You keep saying, "Yeah, it means 'want' like 'I want an
>> apple'" and that's -not- how it works. The English means "I want to
>> possess and have on my person an apple.". So if you're saying that {mi
>> djica lo plise} means that, then what does {mi djica lo nu bajra}
>> mean?
>
> vi'o .i mi pilno lo glico ki'u lo nu do pilno lo glico .i .e'u ba'e do
> pilno lo lojbo va'o lo nu do djica lo nu mi ciksi bau lo lojbo .i lu
> ko'a djica ko'e ko'i li'u cu se smuni la'e di'e .i ko'a jinvi lo du'u
> ko'a ka'e pilno ko'e ko'i .i va'o lo nu da'i ko'i fasnu kei ko'a gleki
> gi'a se mansa .i na vajni fa lo du'u ko'e dacti gi'i kau fasnu
>
>> I want to possess and have on my person running? It has to mean
>> the same thing every time.
>
> ie .i ro roi se smuni lo mintu .i .e'o ko na gasnu lo nu cfipu ma'a lo
> ka pilno lo glico
>
>> That's what the issue is exactly. If
>> anything the implication is existence. "I desire the existence of X."
>> is a more accurate English translation of the correct usage.
>
> lo glico xe fanva na sai vajni .i ko ciksi bau lo lojbo
>
>> Addressing {nitcu}, it works the same way. However, {pilno} doesn't
>> mention anything or have any implication of ownership, possession, or
>> carrying, as you pointed out. One can use one's sense of direction
>> just the same as one can use a hammer.
>
> je'e .i si'a da ka'e djica lo mruli .a lo nu se jinzi lo ka farna .i
> da ka'e nitcu lo fartci .a lo nu catlu lo tarci
>
>> It doesn't imply any kind of
>> carrying, possession, or method of use, just that it is used, and for
>> what purpose, but not how.
>
> je'e .i si'a ge nai lo nu djica ko'a gi nai lo nu nitcu ko'a cu se
> sarcu lo nu tolcau ko'a
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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