From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:28:29 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: x1 to the left
If you're using place structure, you're inevitably going to "discriminate" against some word order that is standard in some natlang. After all, there are 6 different ones: SVO, SOV, VSO, VOS, OVS, OSV. Lojban without FA or SE is SVO.
I will say, though, that VSO is a bit tempting; it takes the idea of selbri as predicates that take arguments and extends it to the actual way of speaking the language. The main issue that I would have is that we would be sacrificing the notion of a "bridi tail", which has some nice properties. One of them, albeit one that doesn't actually get used much (probably because most seljbobau are also selglibau) is the ability to say:
ko'a ko'e broda gi'e brode
A concrete example (this is used in L4B):
la nik. la kalifornias. klama gi'e stali
mu'o mi'e latros.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Luke Bergen
<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
haha, I do speak lojbanically; as often as I can. It's mostly the nit-picky theory-oriented side of me that's irked by the fact that all the sumti slots of a selbri are same except in this one way. You use fa to move around to the slots or se to swap them around, all of this you do the same way for all of them. They all live by the same rules.... except this one.
It's like "all dogs go to heaven... except for poodles... because it's convenient and therefore desirable".
It also seems somewhat biased against verb-object-subject and verb-subject-object types of languages.
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Lindar
<lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
My two cents:
It's a feature, and a rather useful one. Very often the x1 is omitted
to make it a more observation-like phrasing. Speak Lojbanically and
you'll see why we have it set up that way. =P
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