Re: [lojban] mind map of lojban terms

[Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:52 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I smell a use-mention confusion here, though it is hard to pin down.  xorxes is
> quite careful in his remarks about 'lerfu', but some other points are less
> clear. As usual, the problem seems to circle around the core.  A bridi is a
> predicate, therefore  a word or phrase.  A selbri is then the abstract entity, a
> relation, to which the bridi refers (or, maybe. means).  A sumti is then a
> object which is involved in the selbri relation, a relatum.  A brivla is a word
> that can serve as a bridi.

Sorry John, in the text above I couldn't really follow you. I'm not
even sure if you're saying that what I wrote is wrong or not. And in
case it was wrong I can get how to make it right!

>  The definition of 'tanru' is then suspect since it
> groups words (brivla) to form not a phrase (bridi) but a relation (selbri).
In fact I said that a tanru is a selbri, not a brivla. What is wrong with that?

>  Similarly, a gadri is said to transform a selbri, a relation, into a sumti, a
> relatum.
Isn't it? I mean from the selbri {plise} I get the sumti {lo plise} don't I?

> Further, a cmevla is said to be  a word usable as a name ; but every
> word is usable as a name, to this not quite what is wanted.
Ok, maybe I get this. Would it be better if I say that a cmevla can
*only* be used as name?

>  And cmene is said
> to be a way of referring, rather than something that refers in a certain way.

>  Sorting all this out seems a tedious task but maybe necessary, since I think
> all of the usages mentioned here actually occur from time to time in the
> literature.

I'll be happy to do it if you could give some more input.

Please remember that a mind map (or a cheat sheet in genaral) is not
meant to explain all the finest details but to be used as a reminder
and to ease grasping the essential aspects of a topic.

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