Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Exactly, and the latter two are linguistic but of very different linguistic
> types.

I would say that expressing may or may not be linguistic, and that it
is not a linguistic type that contrasts with claiming.

Suppose that John is surprised. That is obviously not a linguistic
matter, it's just something that happens. But John may express his
surprise in many different ways:

(1) By opening his mouth very widely.
(2) By saying "Holy shit!"
(3) By saying "I am truly surprised."
(4) By doing all of the above.

All of those are perfectly good ways to express surprise. (1) is
non-linguistic, (2) and (3) are linguistic. (3) also makes a claim,
but all can be used to express surprise. (2) is linguistic but does
not make any claim.

Saying "ue" is of course like (2). It is a linguistic way of
expressing surprise, not by making a claim but by making an
exclamation.

Also, not all UIs are used to make exclamations, which is one of the
unwarranted overgeneralizations that are sometimes made. UIs have
several other uses.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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