Re: [lojban] Time for the perennial other-centric-.ui conversation

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Right as usual; I apologize for generalizing beyond the data.  My only 
disagreement would be over whether "I am truly surprised" must make a claim any 
more than "I hope he comes" does.As for UI, the interesting question is whether 
all are expressions of some emotion (in a veeerry broad sense).  Some of them 
typically are combined with sentences and affect the status of that sentence, 
but the whole might still reasonably be called an expression.  There are a few 
that are harder to place.



----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 7:34:59 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Exactly, and the latter two are linguistic but of very different linguistic
> types.

I would say that expressing may or may not be linguistic, and that it
is not a linguistic type that contrasts with claiming.

Suppose that John is surprised. That is obviously not a linguistic
matter, it's just something that happens. But John may express his
surprise in many different ways:

(1) By opening his mouth very widely.
(2) By saying "Holy shit!"
(3) By saying "I am truly surprised."
(4) By doing all of the above.

All of those are perfectly good ways to express surprise. (1) is
non-linguistic, (2) and (3) are linguistic. (3) also makes a claim,
but all can be used to express surprise. (2) is linguistic but does
not make any claim.

Saying "ue" is of course like (2). It is a linguistic way of
expressing surprise, not by making a claim but by making an
exclamation.

Also, not all UIs are used to make exclamations, which is one of the
unwarranted overgeneralizations that are sometimes made. UIs have
several other uses.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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