Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, in that case, 'zo'o' is back in the "fair warning" category: "Don't take 
this seriously"  but it does not say that I think it is funny.  And it is 
certainly not a laugh, which I take 'u'i' to be.  You keep insisting that 'zo'o' 
marks my speech not someone else, contrary to at least a few cases to be found 
in the annals, but then you have no problem with 'ui' being someone else 
emotion.  I suppose you are right about the proper use of 'zo'o' though your 
original remarks were not perfectly clear (obviously).  But that does not make 
your point, merely restricts it to a more limited set of cases, satirists, say. 
 On the other side, I have cracked up giving a funeral eulogy and have seen 
several others do similar things (indeed, one identical one -- with a different 
urn).
Yeah we are cuckoo, not that any other country is in a position to judge.  The 
most common murder/mayhem scenario is that the surprisee reacts instantly to the 
presents of a lot of people in a dark room and just blasts away (I admit that 
particular response is almost uniquely American and almost only possible in 
America). Most of the others involve someone thinking that the person coming in 
is not the surprisee (this typically involves a long pre-party party).  The 
point is that this kind of surprise party is not uncommon (it is also a frequent 
request at significant birthdays, say, "No surprise party, please!")



----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 4:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Saying something is meant as humor
> but I am not amused is one of the most common moves in watching and critiquing
> tv shows, for one example,

Saying *that something I'm saying* is meant as humor, not that
something someone else has said was meant as humor. "zo'o" marks the
speaker's speech, not someone else's speech.

> and being ammused by something that was not meant to
> be funny is a painful memory from both sides for most people.

We are talking about being amused *by something you are saying*, not
by something someone else has said. "zo'o" marks your own speech, not
someone else's.

> In the US at least surprise parties of the dark room-lights up-shout 
"surprise"
> sort are common enough to be a recognized listing on incident reports: 
murders,
> beating, heart attacks, etc.

(Ils sont fous ces américains.) I can see a possible connection with
heart attacks, but I'm not sure I see how it relates to murders and
beatings. Is the person being surprised the murderer or the murdered
one, and why?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


      

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.