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Re: [lojban] conditional and hypotetical sentences
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a version of "ka'e" that
> doesn't have that irritating "innate" aspect of it? I don't {ka'e limna},
> but I {kakne lo nu limna}.
"ka'e" is not really about capability, so the "innate" thing doesn't
really make much sense there.
"ka'e" is about possibility, not capability. If an event or situation
is possible, you mark it with "ka'e", if it's not only possible but
actually happens, you mark it with "ca'a".
Events don't really have "innate" capabilities of happening, they are
just possible or impossible, and "ka'e" marks an event, not an agent.
"ka'e" cannot be about the innate capabilities of the x1, there is no
selection of the x1 by a selbri tag. "ka'e limna" says that someone
swimming in some fluid is possible. It is not about the swimmer's
innate capabilities to swim any more than about the fluid's innate
capabilities of being swum in.
> We've got: innately able (generic, don't care if you have done it or not),
> non-innately (learned) able AND has exercised this learned ability, and
> non-innately (learned) able AND has NOT exercised this learned ability.
Who is the one having exercised or not this "ability"? You or the
fluid? For talking about an innate capability, there is "se jinzi":
mi se jinzi lo ka ce'u limna lo djacu
Which has nothing to do with:
lo djacu cu se jinzi lo ka mi limna ce'u
"mi ka'e limna lo djacu" is neither of those. It's just about my
swimming in water being something that can happen.
> What if I don't care about whether I've exercised the learned behavior yet?
> I want the generic aspect of ka'e but the non-innateness of nu'o/pu'i.
> Does that exist in some cmavo I've never noticed before?
"ka'e" cannot be about the x1's capabilities for doing something,
whether innate or learned.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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