From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 6:52:35 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Tanru automatically forming
At the last two posts, especially the second-to-last one: read the first sentence of my original post. This is not a proposal; I don't actually want this changed. I'm just wondering why it was decided to be this way in the first place.
I also don't quite see how you can actually use tanru so heavily that this would make a typical paragraph (note paragraph, not sentence) of your Lojban longer. This is probably the underlying assumption that makes this make sense to me and seem bizarre to you all. I suppose I tend to use brivla more frequently; the longest passage of Lojban I've written is about 1000 words, and there are between 10 and 20 tanru in the entire thing, all of which have only one seltau.
And I get terminators fine; I miss a {ku} after a {kei} occasionally, but that's about it.
mu'o mi'e .latros.
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Jameson Orndorff
<jtorndorff@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry; I just can't see any substantive upside to making tanru
non-forming by default. Even as much as I see people forming them all
the time by accident (generally because they don't completely
understand how terminators work.) I may be a bit biased, though,
because I generally love using tanru. I use tons of them, because they
often get the job done faster and with the same, easily implied
meaning. For any given bridi, the only common place where you'll have
to consciously mark against tanru creation is before the 'main'
selbri, and that's easily solved with at worst a single terminator, or
{cu} to avoid multiples. I use tanru within {lo ... ku} quite often
and to have to mark that I'm creating tanru would absolutely slow my
speech and add way too much verbosity. Nothing gained, plenty lost.
As a brief aside - and please, no one take this as a a personal attack
- this sort of proposal is the sort of thing that breathes of improper
mastery of terminators. tanru became *far* less confusing and ominous
to me once I learned them properly.
mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
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