Re: [lojban] Tanru automatically forming

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  I take exception to your general supposition.  Just to check against
my own biases, I looked at the first paragraph of my translation of
the book of Esther.  In eight sentences, it had eight tanrus, and
eight cu's.  (and many nonce lujvo that could have easily been tanru).
          --gejyspa


On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the last two posts, especially the second-to-last one: read the first
> sentence of my original post. This is not a proposal; I don't actually want
> this changed. I'm just wondering why it was decided to be this way in the
> first place.
>
> I also don't quite see how you can actually use tanru so heavily that this
> would make a typical paragraph (note paragraph, not sentence) of your Lojban
> longer. This is probably the underlying assumption that makes this make
> sense to me and seem bizarre to you all. I suppose I tend to use brivla more
> frequently; the longest passage of Lojban I've written is about 1000 words,
> and there are between 10 and 20 tanru in the entire thing, all of which have
> only one seltau.
>
> And I get terminators fine; I miss a {ku} after a {kei} occasionally, but
> that's about it.
>
> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry; I just can't see any substantive upside to making tanru
>> non-forming by default. Even as much as I see people forming them all
>> the time by accident (generally because they don't completely
>> understand how terminators work.) I may be a bit biased, though,
>> because I generally love using tanru. I use tons of them, because they
>> often get the job done faster and with the same, easily implied
>> meaning. For any given bridi, the only common place where you'll have
>> to consciously mark against tanru creation is before the 'main'
>> selbri, and that's easily solved with at worst a single terminator, or
>> {cu} to avoid multiples. I use tanru within {lo ... ku} quite often
>> and to have to mark that I'm creating tanru would absolutely slow my
>> speech and add way too much verbosity. Nothing gained, plenty lost.
>>
>> As a brief aside - and please, no one take this as a a personal attack
>> - this sort of proposal is the sort of thing that breathes of improper
>> mastery of terminators. tanru became *far* less confusing and ominous
>> to me once I learned them properly.
>>
>> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>>
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