Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU?

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  But an equal and opposite argument could be made that it means that
the ba'e should only be taken figuratively. mi mutce lo nu se cfipu
          --gejyspa
lo du'u nei cu jitfa ro da  va'o lo nu da'i dei se cusku lo drata be la gejyspa

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> My bad.  Then I would read {ba'e pe'a} as something similar to {pe'a je'u}
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>  But the problem is that je'u, like pe'a, is a UI, they modify what
>> comes BEFORE them.  Ba'e works the opposite way, it marks the NEXT
>> single word.
>>       --gy
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I can't speak for others, but I'd read {ba'e pe'a} as something similar
>> > to
>> > {je'u pe'a} as in "this is REALLY figurative, there is NO literal
>> > component
>> > to what I'm saying".
>> > Maybe used in one of those conversations like "so, a .... friend of mine
>> > is
>> > having this problem..."
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Michael Turniansky
>> > <mturniansky@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2011/1/13 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >> > <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  What does BAhE+BU do?
>> >> > [...]
>> >> >>  The phrases describing {ba'e} are quite
>> >> >> unclear to me, and they seem a bit contradictory (which could be
>> >> >> because the phrases are coming from documents with different
>> >> >> opinions on the matter.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Exactly. There are two options for BAhE BU, both can be defended, and
>> >> > until we have an grammar there is no definitive official answer.
>> >> > (According to the current PEG it appears to be an emphasized BU, not
>> >> > a
>> >> > converted BAhE.)
>> >> >
>> >> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
>> >> >
>> >>  ...although ISTM that a symbol meaning "ba'e" (i.e. a ba'ebu) might
>> >> be a more (ba'e) useful thing to have in the language than an
>> >> emphasized bu.  I'm still mystified by the meaning of ba'e pe'a,
>> >> personally...
>> >>             --gejyspa
>> >>
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