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Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU?



Why can't UI modify UI?  ro'a is in UI and it modifies UI in it's own way.

I think the main reason that nobody wants to move ba'e and friends into UI is that UI comes AFTER the word that you want to modify so all the text that's out there with {ba'e} coming BEFORE the word to modify would have to be either retro-fitted or left in a (now) wrong state.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:
On Jan 13, 2011, at 15:29, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

Well, {ge'e} being exactly that was my point there; {ba'e} is *very*
generic emphasis. As far as I can tell it's actually pretty
un-Lojbanic; it seems to mean "I'd verbally empasize this if I was
speaking English".

je'u works; {.o'o cu'i} works, others.


(This is my first comment on this topic.)

I first saw the relevant meaning of emphasis as "This is the part of my utterance which is actually interesting, as opposed to being required for context and grammar." Which neither of your suggestions really conveys.

I now note that this is almost-but-not-quite {bi'u} or possibly {jo'a}.

If I were making arbitrary changes, I would keep ba'e as a word, but move all of BAhE (ba'e and za'e) into UI3a next to {bi'u}, thus simplifying the grammar. What you lose is the ability to emphasize (not important) or mark as nonce (possibly very important) a member of UI, since you can't modify a UI with a UI (right?).

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