Re: [lojban] question about ku

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

As to why 'ku', I couldn't say (running out of good terminals?), but as to why not 'ku' in 'mi ba citka lo plise', that's because it is where it belongs (in Lojban, not in Logic, but that is another whole story)(cf 'na').  When it moves away , it needs a mark to show that it is not now functioning as a preposition or whatever, but in its home function, though not at home.  It may be, in fact, as suggested, that the 'ku' is there marks the end of a null term, to indicate that this is not being used with a term at all.  (Weird, but then 'ba' does need a 'ku' -- I think -- when in prenex, its logical home.)

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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 6:08:29 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] question about ku

This is the meat of my question.  My initial guess was that {ba} expects a sumti as is the case with {mi citka lo plise ba lo nu mi xagji} and that putting it before the selbri or terminating it with {ku} is just a way of saying "forget that sumti, it's zo'e or something".  But the only way of getting that is for there to be an implicit {lo} OR {ku} is special in that it terminates tags like LE, BAI, BA, (and FA?).  But that doesn't seem right because then why wouldn't the ku be necessary in the case of {mi ba [ku] citka lo plise}?  

I wish I understood PEG better.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

Still no idea why ku can terminate two completely unrelated selma'o, though.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know why it just occurred  to me but... what exactly is "ku" terminatiging in "baku mi citka"?  Is there an implicit "lo" so that parsers see this as /really/ being something like "baloku mi citka"?  Or is ku just able to terminate "ba"?  I didn't know that BA had a terminator... either way something feels strange.

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