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Re: [lojban] Lojban to TLI Loglan
Cyril Slobin wrote:
2011/1/30 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
My Loglan dictionary has "gacpi" for Lojban "gleki", and "claso" for
Lojban "claxu" (and "nirve" for "kunti"). Are "hapci" and "clesi"
typos or are they modern variants?
gacpi became hapci and claso became clesi as part of GMR in 1982. There
http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt
has my effort to find the closest TLI equivalent to Lojban gismu, but
there are place structure differences, as Cyril has noticed.
Cyril and others are welcome to try to improve on the list, which is of
course over 17 years old, and thus even predates the current LLG baseline.
I haven't studied the Loglan history in deep, and don't know much of
it's elder versions. All Logli, who are meeting regularly in SL
(typically three or four -- not a very large community), are using LOD
(in Java or HTML form), which has "hapci" and "clesi" (and not "gacpi"
and "claso"). Both versions are downloadable from loglan.org site. As
far as I know, there is no primitive word for {kunti}, and the
compound word "nirveo" ("zero contain") lacks the {se kunti} place
(empty of which material?). I have done my best replacing it with
"clesi".
Of course even in TLI Loglan, you were supposed to be able to coin new
lujvo, so you could come up with new ones that have the places that you
need, based on what is there. Limiting oneself to the closed wordlist
of LOD makes poetry especially difficult.
lojbab
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