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Re: [lojban] Lettorals
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27 April 2011 14:02, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Then you have merely shifted the problematic assertion back one
>> step. Now 3 does follow from 2a, but 2a doesn't follow from 1. Just
>> because something hasn't yet been seen to arise spontaneously, doesn't
>> mean it's not easy for someone. No one drove a car before 1850, and
>> yet 1000s of millions of people do now...
>
> Indeed, and people need to go to driving schools and it takes them
> months to learn how to drive properly and yet years after that to
> completely master it. When a human being sits in the driver's seat for
> the first time it could be said that (s)he is confused. It's an
> extremely tricky discussion and given my unfortunately still lacking
> skill in lojban I'm afraid we're at an impasse. Specifically, the word
> I was looking for was not "confusing" exactly and unfortunately I'm
> not sure if there's even an appropriate word for it in lojban. What I
> meant to say is that a person who has heard nothing but natural
> languages since birth will, when confronted with lojban's pronoun
> system, find it to be... and that's where I need a word which means
> "foreign", "odd" and "strange" but stronger than an English speaker
> would find e.g. Arabic or Mandarin foreign, odd and strange. Saying
> "very foreign, odd and strange" is one solution I guess but that is a
> bit lacking.
>
> I'm not looking for "foreign" as in "featured in a human culture that
> isn't your own", but "featured in no human culture". "Alien" is, on
> the other hand, a bit too strong a word for it because it's obviously
> not alien - people have invented it.
>
Okay, here I'll be willing to agree with you (and I did) it IS
foreign to a natlang speaker. But you seemed to imply that it would
also not come naturally (i.e. develop late?) to someone who was
brought up only being exposed to lojban, and I defy you to show me
that's so.
--gejyspa
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