[lojban] Re: Lettorals

[一秀 陈 <chenyixiu68@gmail.com>]

On 4月27日, 下午10时21分, John E Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Personally, I've always gone with "handy."
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ivo Doko <ivo.d...@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 8:25:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] Lettorals
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> On 27 April 2011 14:02, Michael Turniansky <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Then you have merely shifted the problematic assertion back one
> > step.  Now 3 does follow from 2a, but 2a doesn't follow from 1.  Just
> > because something hasn't yet been seen to arise spontaneously, doesn't
> > mean it's not easy for someone.   No one drove a car before 1850, and
> > yet 1000s of millions of people do now...
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> Indeed, and people need to go to driving schools and it takes them
> months to learn how to drive properly and yet years after that to
> completely master it. When a human being sits in the driver's seat for
> the first time it could be said that (s)he is confused. It's an
> extremely tricky discussion and given my unfortunately still lacking
> skill in lojban I'm afraid we're at an impasse. Specifically, the word
> I was looking for was not "confusing" exactly and unfortunately I'm
> not sure if there's even an appropriate word for it in lojban. What I
> meant to say is that a person who has heard nothing but natural
> languages since birth will, when confronted with lojban's pronoun
> system, find it to be... and that's where I need a word which means
> "foreign", "odd" and "strange" but stronger than an English speaker
> would find e.g. Arabic or Mandarin foreign, odd and strange. Saying
> "very foreign, odd and strange" is one solution I guess but that is a
> bit lacking.
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> I'm not looking for "foreign" as in "featured in a human culture that
> isn't your own", but "featured in no human culture". "Alien" is, on
> the other hand, a bit too strong a word for it because it's obviously
> not alien - people have invented it.
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