On 27 April 2011 14:02, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:Indeed, and people need to go to driving schools and it takes them
> Then you have merely shifted the problematic assertion back one
> step. Now 3 does follow from 2a, but 2a doesn't follow from 1. Just
> because something hasn't yet been seen to arise spontaneously, doesn't
> mean it's not easy for someone. No one drove a car before 1850, and
> yet 1000s of millions of people do now...
months to learn how to drive properly and yet years after that to
completely master it. When a human being sits in the driver's seat for
the first time it could be said that (s)he is confused. It's an
extremely tricky discussion and given my unfortunately still lacking
skill in lojban I'm afraid we're at an impasse. Specifically, the word
I was looking for was not "confusing" exactly and unfortunately I'm
not sure if there's even an appropriate word for it in lojban. What I
meant to say is that a person who has heard nothing but natural
languages since birth will, when confronted with lojban's pronoun
system, find it to be... and that's where I need a word which means
"foreign", "odd" and "strange" but stronger than an English speaker
would find e.g. Arabic or Mandarin foreign, odd and strange. Saying
"very foreign, odd and strange" is one solution I guess but that is a
bit lacking.
I'm not looking for "foreign" as in "featured in a human culture that
isn't your own", but "featured in no human culture". "Alien" is, on
the other hand, a bit too strong a word for it because it's obviously
not alien - people have invented it.
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mu'o mi'e .ivan.
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